Music track kick-off meeting minutes

[9:05]  Apple MacKay: should we kick this thing off?
[9:05]  Katydid Something: yes!
[9:05]  Lyndon Heart: ok
[9:05]  Apple MacKay: ok
[9:05]  Katydid Something: everyone have coffee?
[9:05]  Apple MacKay: realize I am keeping the chat log
[9:06]  Mia Kitchensink: Hi Tizzy
[9:06]  Lyndon Heart: gotcha
[9:06]  Apple MacKay: I have just a few things to say...
[9:06]  Brianna Beresford: hmmm so anything we say will be shared with the world
[9:06]  Tizzy Teardrop: Hola
[9:06]  Apple MacKay: Thanks for everyone coming
[9:06]  Katydid Something: yes
[9:06]  Apple MacKay: and wanting to be involved with this
[9:07]  Apple MacKay: this should be a great addition to SLCC this year
[9:07]  SeanMcPherson Senior is happy to help, assuming he can actually, you know, help, seeing he has all the musical talent of a prim box *cough*
[9:07]  Mia Kitchensink: lol
[9:07]  Apple MacKay: I noticed that they are touting it on the SLCC.org site
[9:07]  Katydid Something: you do Sean -- technical
[9:08]  Katydid Something: and audience!
[9:08]  Lyndon Heart: and idea wise Sean you're non pareil
[9:08]  Apple MacKay: I think that there is probably a few different aspects to what we are trying to do here
[9:08]  Apple MacKay: 1 is panels
[9:08]  Apple MacKay: 2 is a show
[9:08]  EvaMoon Ember: or shows
[9:09]  Katydid Something: 3 Networking....
[9:09]  Lyndon Heart: does panels = tracks?
[9:09]  Grace McDunnough: like huge ... tracks of land?
[9:09]  Grace McDunnough: (Sorry)
[9:09]  SeanMcPherson Senior: and possibly a take-away, like a CD or video or somesuch?
[9:09]  Katydid Something: 20 x 20's
[9:09]  Apple MacKay: A track is composed of many panels
[9:09]  Brianna Beresford: Is anyone else planning the music track?
[9:09]  Lyndon Heart: oops ... sorry
[9:09]  Lyndon Heart raises hand
[9:09]  Katydid Something: we are!
[9:09]  Apple MacKay: there are 1 day tracks
[9:09]  Apple MacKay: 2 day tracks
[9:09]  Apple MacKay: and 3 day tracks
[9:10]  Apple MacKay: A track is at minumum 6 hours I think
[9:10]  Lyndon Heart: composed of panels I see
[9:10]  Apple MacKay: yes

[9:10]  Brianna Beresford: Do we need to coordinate with other music groups planning as well or are we the only one?
[9:10]  Lyndon Heart has been to 2 of these and still hasn't a clue
[9:10]  Apple MacKay: So far as I know
[9:10]  Apple MacKay: we are the official music track planning group
[9:10]  Katydid Something: We are the "ordained" group as far as I know
[9:11]  Apple MacKay: we are running it
[9:11]  SeanMcPherson Senior: A 6 hour track can be split across 2 days.
[9:11]  Crap Mariner: we are?
[9:11]  Apple MacKay: yes
[9:11]  Brianna Beresford: OK what happened to Streamteam peeps
[9:11]  Crap Mariner thinks "God help us all."
[9:11]  Apple MacKay: as far as I know Crap
[9:11]  Lyndon Heart: has Puli been informed?
[9:11]  Feline Slade: lol
[9:11]  Brianna Beresford: I thought they were in charge originally did that fall through
[9:11]  Katydid Something: LOL
[9:11]  Katydid Something: I invited Pul yesterday
[9:11]  Apple MacKay: They said they will be supporting us
[9:11]  Crap Mariner looks around for Pulaski
[9:11]  Katydid Something: and a bunch of others
[9:11]  Brianna Beresford: Ok so this is it
[9:12]  Apple MacKay: Katy was supposed to ring them in
[9:12]  Crap Mariner looks around for Music Not Politics / TRAX
[9:12]  Katydid Something: there are some who couldn't make it but who are in!
[9:12]  EvaMoon Ember: do we need a to make a group?
[9:12]  Katydid Something: Cyl for one
[9:12]  Katydid Something: I think we should
[9:12]  Apple MacKay: Ham as well
[9:12]  Brianna Beresford: I agree
[9:12]  Grace McDunnough: an in world group?
[9:12]  Katydid Something: then we can keep everyone in the loop
[9:12]  EvaMoon Ember: that would clarify who's involved
[9:12]  Brianna Beresford starts searching for one to leave
[9:12]  EvaMoon Ember: yes
[9:12]  Grace McDunnough: The GOOG group is not sufficient?
[9:13]  Apple MacKay: exactly
[9:13]  EvaMoon Ember: Oh I know
[9:13]  Katydid Something: or we can use facebook...
[9:13]  Brianna Beresford: what is GOOG?
[9:13]  Grace McDunnough: Google, sorry
[9:13]  Apple MacKay: no we need to have an in-world group
[9:13]  Crap Mariner prefers non-SL groups when possible
[9:13]  SeanMcPherson Senior can spare in an-world group
[9:13]  Lyndon Heart: Cyl said she'd be MIA
[9:13]  Apple MacKay: I was hoping Rhiannon was going to show up
[9:13]  Apple MacKay: we have the google group
[9:13]  Apple MacKay: I was thinking Rhiannon or the SLCC folks
[9:14]  Brianna Beresford: does that communicate to us when we are inworld
[9:14]  Apple MacKay: would make an official SL group and make us a subset
[9:14]  Katydid Something: We need to annouce to LME and other music groups that there WILL be a track
[9:14]  Katydid Something: That might attract more folks
[9:14]  Brianna Beresford: someone made a group for last years attendees
[9:14]  Brianna Beresford: this could maybe serve several functions then
[9:15]  Katydid Something: that was all attendees -- this would be the music group
[9:15]  Lyndon Heart: can you make a subset in a SL group?
[9:15]  Apple MacKay: yes a role so to speak
[9:15]  Lyndon Heart: I see
[9:15]  Brianna Beresford: but messages still go to the whole bunch right?
[9:15]  SeanMcPherson Senior: I'm game for whatever, groupwise, in-world and out of it, although I prefer google to facebook pretty strongly ( as an opinion vote *grin*)
[9:15]  Katydid Something: don't know how to communicate to just
[9:16]  Katydid Something: google is fine with me
[9:16]  Apple MacKay: lets not get caught up on it lets identify it as an action item
[9:16]  Lyndon Heart is a googler
[9:16]  SeanMcPherson Senior nods
[9:16]  Katydid Something: Hey Bosco!
[9:16]  Katydid Something: glad you got here
[9:16]  Brianna Beresford: agree we need some form of communication tool
[9:16]  EvaMoon Ember: Hi Bosco
[9:17]  Apple MacKay: what about with panel ideas
[9:17]  Katydid Something: I had trown out possible topics and I think we should explore those
[9:17]  Katydid Something: throw
[9:17]  Katydid Something: they were on the google discussion
[9:17]  Crap Mariner: Use of social networking for promotion.
[9:17]  EvaMoon Ember: I'd like to see some brainstorming on show promotion
[9:17]  Lyndon Heart: how about promo
[9:17]  Brianna Beresford: how many days do we plan tracks for Sat and Sun?
[9:17]  Katydid Something: I can grab them real quick and put them in a notecard?
[9:18]  Bosco Constantine: i really think we need to involve the other parts of SL in intigration
[9:18]  Brianna Beresford: Yeah I dont know the google place you are in
[9:18]  Katydid Something: I'd say Friday and Sat
[9:18]  EvaMoon Ember: and raising the profile of live music in the general SL population
[9:18]  Crap Mariner: Differences between RL and SL venue management/revenue stream.
[9:18]  Lyndon Heart: jeez.. I'm clerically challenged here folks . sorry
[9:18]  Crap Mariner: How to design a venue for maximum revenue/sustainability.
[9:18]  Bosco Constantine: Crap that is a good one
[9:19]  Apple MacKay: streaming software
[9:19]  EvaMoon Ember: I'd be willing to talk about the Mac side
[9:19]  Crap Mariner: ya... demo of the teach.
[9:19]  Bosco Constantine: Same here Eva
[9:19]  Lyndon Heart: me too Eva
[9:19]  Brianna Beresford: Protocol for dealing with performers and venue owners is always a challenge
[9:19]  EvaMoon Ember: ah, an embarassment of mac riches
[9:19]  Brianna Beresford: and managers
[9:19]  SeanMcPherson Senior: As a counterpoint/complement to the Max Revenue/Sustainability, how about the compromises of capacity VS design?
[9:20]  Apple MacKay: show security
[9:20]  Bosco Constantine: can i ask a question though - who is our target audience?
[9:20]  Crap Mariner: How to incorporate live music in ways other than just an hourlong set. Aka Dizzy Banjo collaboration pieces, Musimmersion build/rides, etc.
[9:20]  Brianna Beresford: Maybe a track for musicians who are considering performing help them know how to start etc
[9:20]  Bosco Constantine: we don't want to give these presentations and have no one show up
[9:20]  SeanMcPherson Senior: ie; "I want 60 people in a sim, we have 14578 prims on the land, and 4000 scripts, and it's a Formal Show, so wear all your gowns and best hair!... Whatchya mean that won't work well?"
[9:20]  Crap Mariner: Perhaps... as an incentive to draw in people to the panels, discussions... mini-album giveaways or samplers?
[9:20]  Brianna Beresford: Writing promo is good topic
[9:20]  EvaMoon Ember: or live demos
[9:21]  Bosco Constantine: well i think if we make the panels about things just for us
[9:21]  Bosco Constantine: we are screwed
[9:21]  Apple MacKay: that brings up a good topic Crap....
[9:21]  Mia Kitchensink: I love live demos
[9:21]  Bosco Constantine: i've heard there are not alot of musicians that go to this
[9:21]  Apple MacKay: how do we pay for these giveaways
[9:21]  Brianna Beresford: Live performer in each sessioin?
[9:21]  Bosco Constantine: its more a business crowd
[9:21]  Brianna Beresford: They did two years ago but not last year
[9:21]  Crap Mariner: Burn a sampler CD, include in the SLCC goodie bag, but offer a second one to those who make it to a session?
[9:21]  SeanMcPherson Senior: I've never seen anyone at an SLCC go to 'all' of the panels in their chosen tracks, and not cross-pollinate
[9:21]  Bosco Constantine: I think that is a great idea Brianna
[9:21]  EvaMoon Ember: yes, brianna
[9:21]  Apple MacKay: Our track needs sponsorship!
[9:21]  SeanMcPherson Senior: so I think we're good if part of the track is for venues, part for artists, part for audiences.
[9:21]  Apple MacKay: as all the tracks have that
[9:22]  Brianna Beresford: yep that makes sense
[9:22]  Alyx Stoklitsky shouts: ALLOW ME TO GIVE AN OPINION: SLCC IS A MISERABLE CESSPIT. THAT IS ALL. GOODBYE.
[9:22]  Crap Mariner: Don't forget a panel for the griefers: "How to grief a really bad musical performance"
[9:22]  Bosco Constantine: I think we need to use this to promote a bit in every session we do
[9:22]  Bosco Constantine: we never know who is going to be there
[9:22]  Crap Mariner: Ah. Alyx can run that griefer panel.
[9:22]  EvaMoon Ember: if people know there's going to be live music at the sessions, that might be a draw
[9:22]  Tizzy Teardrop: That can be part of the Woodbury panel, Crap. :p
[9:22]  Brianna Beresford: well we all get our share of them and a greifer session would be popular with everyone
[9:22]  Crap Mariner: hahahahahaha tiz
[9:23]  Bosco Constantine: no lie
[9:23]  Apple MacKay: the panels need to be informational
[9:23]  Tizzy Teardrop: If you want to "promote the event" at SLCC, just make flyers saying FREE BEER... also music.
[9:23]  Tizzy Teardrop: You will be mobbed.
[9:23]  Lyndon Heart: the griefers themselves may show up for that one ;-)
[9:23]  Apple MacKay: the show / shows will be the real music performances
[9:23]  Katydid Something gave you Music Topic discussion from Google.
[9:23]  Crap Mariner: free and such always works. heh
[9:23]  Katydid Something: Did everyone get that now?
[9:23]  EvaMoon Ember: informational doesn't have to mean all talk
[9:24]  Bosco Constantine: i totally think a sponsor is going to be a big deal
[9:24]  Grace McDunnough: Thanks Katy
[9:24]  Brianna Beresford: Yep just taking a while to read
[9:24]  Lyndon Heart: got it Kate
[9:24]  Katydid Something: Yes
[9:24]  Crap Mariner: will there be musical performances to accompany the lunch?
[9:24]  Brianna Beresford: I think this is a different approach to Music than the last two that I attended
[9:24]  Katydid Something: I bet we could arange it
[9:24]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Crap, Lyndon and I talked about that last year, I think, while eating lunch one day
[9:24]  Brianna Beresford: I think it will be supported if we do it right
[9:24]  Bosco Constantine: I just have to say this - when the Linden's flew me out in Dec. They didn't know hardly anything about live music
[9:24]  Alyx Stoklitsky: Tizzy, I'm breaking into a conniption here.
[9:24]  Lyndon Heart: that would be preferable to me rather than speakers
[9:24]  Bosco Constantine: I talked to a ton of people in the company
[9:25]  Brianna Beresford: lets face it everyone recognizes if they want to draw a crowd they generaly need to involve music
[9:25]  EvaMoon Ember: if the purpose is to raise awareness and interest in live music, seems like there should be live music at more than just a party
[9:25]  Bosco Constantine: most don't even stay in the game that much to know what is going on
[9:25]  Crap Mariner: As much as Beyers Sellers discussing constructive cacophony was most helpful, I'd have prefered lighter mealtime audio.
[9:25]  Apple MacKay: agreed
[9:25]  Bosco Constantine: lunch can either be big or small i think
[9:26]  Bosco Constantine: like a ton of SL artists jamming
[9:26]  Lyndon Heart: Patrick and I are bringing a very compact Bose sound system for small quick impruptu events
[9:26]  Bosco Constantine: or light music in the background
[9:26]  Mia Kitchensink: oh great Lyndon
[9:26]  Katydid Something: cool Lyn
[9:26]  Bosco Constantine: let me know what you are bringing so i don't double up
[9:26]  Bosco Constantine: i'm going to bring all the video stuff
[9:26]  Bosco Constantine: so we can cast the whole thing via web
[9:26]  Brianna Beresford: I think we need a topic for those who dont know how to combine a music event and the promotion of their event
[9:26]  Katydid Something: Cool Bosco!
[9:27]  EvaMoon Ember: awesome bosco
[9:27]  Brianna Beresford: they will have the musician so far away from their actual store etc that it is meaningless to their business
[9:27]  Bosco Constantine: Brianna that is what we really need
[9:27]  Mia Kitchensink: yes
[9:27]  Bosco Constantine: how to make music a part of your business
[9:27]  Crap Mariner: or changing the way people think of a venue.
[9:27]  Bosco Constantine: how can live music make you money
[9:27]  Brianna Beresford: How Music can support the education and business community
[9:27]  Bosco Constantine: help your bottom line
[9:27]  Katydid Something: Well, I do think we need info for Musicians, Venue operators and perhaps media creators
[9:27]  Lyndon Heart: this Bosco. http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/speakers/portable_amplification_systems/l1_model1/l1_model1_single_pkg.jsp
[9:27]  Brianna Beresford: I agree to that too :)
[9:27]  SeanMcPherson Senior: What do we need in-world, as a resource? do we want to /rent/borrow' a pack of sims from LL to have the shows on? they still do that, IIRC. That said, I was wondering if we'd want to 'simulcast it' to several of the venues around the world
[9:27]  Brianna Beresford: we've got plenty to cover in two days
[9:27]  Crap Mariner: a venue not just being a place for live music, but when not in use, good as a home location for people to learn about the artist-in-residence.
[9:28]  Katydid Something: That would be awesome,, Sean
[9:28]  Feline Slade: sessions are simulcasted already, I think, so might be able to use those same venues, if there isn't overlap of schedules
[9:28]  Bosco Constantine: I have a sim we can use if need be
[9:28]  SeanMcPherson Senior: ie, the video showing and the music playing in Dublin @ Ham's, here in Molaskeys, etc, so we don't fill up *and* we can expose folks to the venues. Maybe make it a travelling show if we don't think we'd fill mroe than 1 at a time?
[9:29]  Brianna Beresford: So we have three tracks the Technical, the Marketing, the Artist
[9:29]  Bosco Constantine: well the video can be viewed on teh web as well outside of SL = )
[9:29]  SeanMcPherson Senior: ie, this show is at Ham's for simulcast, the next one is at X, then Y, whatever.
[9:29]  Crap Mariner: not only should these be streamed in-world and via web, but also archived. pardon my yiddish, but slcc has utterly SUCKED when it comes to making archives of sessions available. phreak radio bites the big prim cock for podcasts.
[9:29]  Apple MacKay: good idea Sean
[9:29]  Katydid Something: I think showcasing venues that people don't know is good
[9:29]  Apple MacKay: also realize Ham is going to be doing stuff in Dublin the whole time
[9:29]  Katydid Something: yes -- I agree with Crap
[9:29]  Bosco Constantine: Well if anyone has quicktime we can record the sessions
[9:29]  Feline Slade: Good point, Crap.
[9:29]  Bosco Constantine: that is the steam
[9:29]  Feline Slade: Too much good information getting lost by not being accessible later
[9:29]  Apple MacKay: I imagine he will have the whole crew with him again
[9:29]  Bosco Constantine: or if anyone has another laptop to piggy back that would be great
[9:30]  EvaMoon Ember: I'm willing to help in any way I can
[9:30]  EvaMoon Ember: I have a mac laptop and quicktime pro
[9:30]  Katydid Something: I can record audio -- must be a way to get the video too short of just videoing the whole thing
[9:30]  Brianna Beresford: If there is no stoker party this year then we may need to do something at nite as well
[9:30]  SeanMcPherson Senior: I don't want to raise a specter of doom, but are there any 'digital rights' issues folks are worried about (I'm mostly spekaing to the artists, obviously)? Having your stuff archived: is that okay?
[9:30]  Katydid Something: but maybe we COULD VIDEO
[9:30]  Bosco Constantine: if it can record the video stream - we can upload it to youtube right after the session
[9:30]  Lyndon Heart: we did ustream last year right?
[9:30]  Katydid Something: yes
[9:31]  Apple MacKay: the party is in the works
[9:31]  Crap Mariner: i figure that at least two people at each session will be able to record. one primary, one backup. when they have their audio files, can pass them to me or another podcaster who can render and host them.
[9:31]  Brianna Beresford: Ok
[9:31]  Apple MacKay: I had dinner with Ham a few weeks ago
[9:31]  Bosco Constantine: live shows aren't a copyright problem
[9:31]  Bosco Constantine: so long as its live and public its fair game
[9:31]  Apple MacKay: I think he found a venue
[9:31]  SeanMcPherson Senior: yes, ustream worked pretty well last year, but it's not the quality I'd want to show off later as a 'promotional' item, if I was an artist, VS having access to a higher quality one to mix up or edit and post on youtube for my own site.
[9:31]  Apple MacKay: close to the hotel
[9:31]  Brianna Beresford: to have the party at ?
[9:31]  Katydid Something: cool!
[9:31]  Apple MacKay: yes
[9:32]  Bosco Constantine: Ustream won't go into SL
[9:32]  Mia Kitchensink: ;D
[9:32]  Apple MacKay: and we are working on sponsors
[9:32]  Bosco Constantine: which is why i'll handle that part of the video so it will be accessable into SL as Video
[9:32]  Lyndon Heart: ah.. that's what I didn't know Bosco
[9:32]  Apple MacKay: I'd like to maybe see a hospitality suite
[9:32]  EvaMoon Ember: I'd want to be prepared for a second party if the first one is popular
[9:32]  Katydid Something: for a welcome party, Apple?
[9:32]  Apple MacKay: for the musicians and panelists and music track organizers
[9:33]  Brianna Beresford: perhaps we need a suite that is open 24/7?
[9:33]  Crap Mariner: a welcome party or bar concert would make sense as people come in. lets them know the track is there
[9:33]  Katydid Something: We also will need to promote the "Concert" -- to compete with the "Adult" party
[9:33]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Woot, even as a non-artist I get a back stage pass as a groupie? *sweet* (looks around) *cough* I mean, that'll be handy to help address any 'last minute' issues., thru increased communications.
[9:33]  Lyndon Heart: who would man it Bri?
[9:33]  Katydid Something: LOL Sean!
[9:33]  Lyndon Heart: er.. person it ;-)
[9:33]  EvaMoon Ember: um... furry it?
[9:33]  Brianna Beresford: LOL well that is a problem
[9:34]  Bosco Constantine: we need to talk about these musicians - who do we know is coming - anyone working that angle?
[9:34]  Brianna Beresford: last year Thynka did the welcome party thing
[9:34]  Crap Mariner: eggs in one basket... why not talk to the adult event organizers and maybe INCORPORATE live music there from SL musicians as well?
[9:34]  Lyndon Heart: herding cats is hard
[9:34]  Brianna Beresford: and everyone was involved
[9:34]  Katydid Something: so far I know Lyn, Pat, Eva, Bosco
[9:34]  Brianna Beresford: that was popular
[9:34]  SeanMcPherson Senior: I'm a bit confused on non-music SLCC items ATM; do we know what other 'events' are already scheduled and what they entail, by chance?
[9:34]  Crap Mariner: to offer as alternative flies in the face of music being everpresent/uniquitous/omnivorous
[9:34]  Katydid Something: And I assume Cyl
[9:35]  EvaMoon Ember: Cyl? Jaycatt? Kyle?
[9:35]  Crap Mariner: (and likely amphibious)
[9:35]  Katydid Something: Jaycat is no
[9:35]  Crap Mariner: still working on Beth
[9:35]  Katydid Something: talked to him last night
[9:35]  Bosco Constantine: kieko?
[9:35]  Crap Mariner: Beth and Cyl together. Wow. Just wow.
[9:35]  Katydid Something: Beth and Cyl -- yeaa!
[9:35]  Brianna Beresford: that would be fantastic
[9:35]  Brianna Beresford: yep
[9:35]  EvaMoon Ember: I'm hoping someone will have a keyboard there. I can't fly with mine.
[9:36]  Lyndon Heart: so Frogg?
[9:36]  Crap Mariner: but i am NOT getting bunk beds with Beth. had enough of a time growing up with that and her games of dropping shoes on my face.
[9:36]  Katydid Something: We can rent if we have to
[9:36]  Brianna Beresford: does anyone know any rl musicians in SF that we could get to help us out?
[9:36]  Crap Mariner: damn brat
[9:36]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Keiko, prolly
[9:36]  Katydid Something: LOL Crap!
[9:36]  EvaMoon Ember: Keiko
[9:36]  Lyndon Heart: Keiko definately .. with her band
[9:37]  Lyndon Heart: and that's another kettle to open
[9:37]  Lyndon Heart: whole bands
[9:37]  Brianna Beresford: what kettle?
[9:37]  Bosco Constantine: well the only problem i have with that is - she doen'st play much in SL anymore
[9:37]  Lyndon Heart: all at once?
[9:37]  Katydid Something: I should talk to TallGuy -- ;last year he delivered his daughter to college in SF about that time
[9:37]  Bosco Constantine: and whole bands are nightmare to do
[9:37]  Crap Mariner: hrm. i knew i should have put a field for RL city in my database
[9:37]  Apple MacKay: lol had her in the brown truck Katy? delivered?
[9:38]  Katydid Something: He drove her!!!!
[9:38]  Katydid Something: and did house concerts
[9:39]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Why are whole bands a nightmware? Heck, Lyndon, Cyl and I got everything setup and broken down last year, from mics to speakers to instrumentation, and that was almost spur of the moment. Didn't have drums, but other than that, it wasn't too different from other gigs I've helped setup iRL at odd locales.
[9:39]  Lyndon Heart: in Chicago we had a host band that the others used to jam with
[9:39]  Apple MacKay: Lyndon you said you didnt like that set-up?
[9:39]  Apple MacKay: or it was un weildy?
[9:39]  Lyndon Heart: but it was ..labor intensive and .. not fun for Patrick and I
[9:39]  Apple MacKay: so thats out
[9:39]  Bosco Constantine: i agree
[9:40]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Yeah, the Chicago one seemed a bit kludgey for me, looking in from the outside.
[9:40]  Bosco Constantine: lets face it
[9:40]  Katydid Something: I'm sensing that we really have 2 issues we could split the group into subcommitteies
[9:40]  Lyndon Heart: mighta worked outside the hotel
[9:40]  Bosco Constantine: most musicians in SL are solo
[9:40]  Bosco Constantine: there are no consistant bands that play
[9:40]  Katydid Something: Performance issues and Track issues
[9:40]  Brianna Beresford: sounds like we need to stick to the solo guitarist type or at max keyboards
[9:40]  Crap Mariner: Bosco - slcc offers up the opportunity to collaborate live in ways SL does not easily allow.
[9:41]  Katydid Something: Agreed!
[9:41]  Bosco Constantine: well at least promote what actually happens in S:
[9:41]  Bosco Constantine: SL*
[9:41]  Grace McDunnough: People like groups - collaborations - and the like
[9:41]  Bosco Constantine: like dual streaming is awesome
[9:41]  Crap Mariner: but a demonstration to the drawbacks and advantages of relaycast would be interesting
[9:41]  Grace McDunnough: And I think it's rather heady to rule that out
[9:41]  EvaMoon Ember: I can pop in and sing anywhere there's a keyboard or a 1/4" input
[9:41]  Bosco Constantine: we can do that while we are there and show people how to do it
[9:41]  SeanMcPherson Senior: And the mixing of stuff we don't normally get, like Lyndon, Kyle and Cyl all going to town at once, for example.
[9:41]  Brianna Beresford: that could be a session
[9:41]  Katydid Something: Yes
[9:41]  Brianna Beresford: a session to teach musicians how to use these new concepts
[9:42]  Katydid Something: Sharing the technical
[9:42]  Brianna Beresford: we need sessions to teach this stuff as well as enjoy it
[9:42]  Lyndon Heart: I'd be a part of that!
[9:42]  SeanMcPherson Senior nods at Brianna
[9:42]  Bosco Constantine: i can setup a relay from Max - Chaos and me possibly
[9:42]  Bosco Constantine: we do it all the time
[9:42]  Bosco Constantine: and they don't have to be there
[9:42]  Lyndon Heart: as talent.. not tech ;-)
[9:42]  Brianna Beresford: and we could have an advertised Jam evening or something
[9:42]  Brianna Beresford: that just flows on its own
[9:43]  Katydid Something: It would be a great way of including musicians who cant get to SF
[9:43]  Crap Mariner: I would also suggest working up a panel of "grievances against the lab/SL" from a live musician/music standpoint, bringing up limitations of the interface and the system that make it difficult/impossible to work effectively. as in the events interface, the groups limitation, relability of streams through SL viewer, etc.
[9:43]  Crap Mariner: with suggested solutions.
[9:43]  Katydid Something: Good Crap!
[9:43]  Crap Mariner: so that LL doesn't just say "Duh, let's make a LISTSERV" that ends up going silent after 3 months.
[9:43]  Lyndon Heart: great idea
[9:43]  Bosco Constantine: just a question for that session
[9:43]  Feline Slade: Good thinking, Crap.
[9:44]  Bosco Constantine: we could involve the SL community directly with the session being in SL as well as live
[9:44]  Bosco Constantine: so people who can't be at SLCC can participate
[9:44]  Katydid Something: We could get streaming groups like the Stream Team invlved
[9:44]  SeanMcPherson Senior: We *should* involve people thru SL as often as possible
[9:44]  SeanMcPherson Senior: and with SL<>IM type clients finally, that might be easier than in the past
[9:44]  Apple MacKay: agrees
[9:45]  Bosco Constantine: the software i can use can dual screen so we can have a panel in one frame while the notes can be in another frame if i have them ahead of time
[9:45]  SeanMcPherson Senior: We don't need as much bandwidth in some locations(in case the hotel bandwidth is 'teh suck') just to get questions form the audience
[9:45]  Crap Mariner: I would also suggest working up a kiosk for venues to collect up suggestions/complaints/ideas so that people at events can make their opinions known. What is working, what isn't, what they want to see, what's missing, etc. Immediate feedback in a convenient form.
[9:45]  Katydid Something: I sat in on a panel with someone from South Africa last year -- she was there and broadcast through SL
[9:45]  Bosco Constantine: I know the Linden that is incharge of the interface development - he might want to be there
[9:45]  Bosco Constantine: I'll ask him if he can sit on the panel
[9:45]  Brianna Beresford: do we have a budget for this track
[9:45]  Bosco Constantine: he is based in SF
[9:46]  Brianna Beresford: or does everything have to be freebies
[9:46]  Katydid Something: Great, and great
[9:46]  Crap Mariner: Agreed on bringing in SL panelists. I remember Circe at Chicago, even if it was just the usual Venues vs Performers that never gets resolved.
[9:46]  Apple MacKay: that was an item I brought up b4 Bri
[9:46]  Apple MacKay: Sponsorship
[9:46]  Brianna Beresford: OK so we do have to fund it ourselves
[9:46]  Apple MacKay: until we get sponsors
[9:47]  Apple MacKay: :)
[9:47]  Katydid Something: yes, but howabout approching music companies inworld already
[9:47]  Bosco Constantine: i think that is a great idea
[9:47]  Brianna Beresford: they should want to help us
[9:47]  Bosco Constantine: Trax
[9:47]  Crap Mariner: Sponsorship is an odd duck... I'd think getting Bones Writer to talk about Musicians Friend dot com, Gibson, etc. As well as some former sponsors like Pontiac to talk about why they pulled out. (If they still exist)
[9:47]  Brianna Beresford: Gibson
[9:47]  Katydid Something: Gibson
[9:47]  Bosco Constantine: Metaverse music
[9:47]  Bosco Constantine: Gibson is not going to do it
[9:47]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Hey, maybe we could get w/ one of the manufacturers to do a promo tied into it; attendance at a panel gets you entered to win a Gibson or a Fender or some such?
[9:48]  Apple MacKay: even in RL the biggest sponsors of Live Music are liquor companies/ distributors/ etc
[9:48]  SeanMcPherson Senior ponders
[9:48]  Crap Mariner: It's important to talk about the failures as well, I'd think. Maybe a panel of "Biggest mistakes we've learned from."
[9:48]  EvaMoon Ember: too bad SL venues can't sell booze
[9:48]  Brianna Beresford: I have a bunch of those
[9:48]  EvaMoon Ember: that would solve a LOT of probs
[9:48]  Katydid Something: to bad we cant consume in SL!
[9:49]  EvaMoon Ember: that's the other half of the equation, honey
[9:49]  Crap Mariner: Eva - If I'm not mistaken, Kolachnikov vodka sponsors Sowerby and Luff podcast, which then sponsored their in-world build and comedy shows for a bit. It was a way around the no alcohol in SL.
[9:49]  Apple MacKay: we will be in SF though giving live performances etc
[9:49]  EvaMoon Ember: cool
[9:49]  Crap Mariner: I forgot to put in my notebook the alcohol manufacturer that sponsors a venue in SL. but it's there.
[9:49]  Bosco Constantine: i did this before - what if we sign a promotional deal that goes from summer til the show
[9:49]  Apple MacKay: we had a nibble from Jameson
[9:49]  Crap Mariner: Just because you can't drink it in SL, doesn't mean it cannot be consumed in SL.
[9:50]  Bosco Constantine: where we promote their product upto the event
[9:50]  Bosco Constantine: that way its not just the day of
[9:50]  Brianna Beresford: we are one of the most powerful social networks around, how can we parlay that into sponsorship for music, get microsoft on board?
[9:50]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Apple, I can't say specifically, but I've worked iRL w/ some of the larger booze manufacturers and their marketing depts
[9:50]  EvaMoon Ember: microsoft?
[9:50]  Brianna Beresford: the techies in that area should be eating this up
[9:50]  Brianna Beresford: shouldn't they
[9:50]  Crap Mariner: And just because there is no sponsorship, doesn't mean you cannot hijack existing promotions. I got a lot of messages from folks using pepsi points for SL musician tracks from amazon when i pointed out that hijacking method.
[9:50]  SeanMcPherson Senior: lemme do a little trolling and see what I can find out, and then I'll follow up with 'names' if they're interested at all
[9:50]  EvaMoon Ember: I live in Redmond and my husband works for microsoft
[9:50]  Mia Kitchensink: Thanks Sean
[9:51]  Apple MacKay: ok
[9:51]  Katydid Something: good point Crap
[9:51]  Bosco Constantine: guys - the economy sucks - marketing depts are not looking to shell out money
[9:51]  Crap Mariner looks at Eva, closes the OpenOffice Word window.
[9:51]  EvaMoon Ember: lol
[9:51]  Bosco Constantine: so its not going to be easy to get any of the big boys to pony up
[9:51]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Bosco, liquor companies are always looking to spend money on amrketing, trust me on that one.
[9:51]  Katydid Something: they are still advertising!
[9:51]  Lyndon Heart is glad this will be saved to read later ;-)
[9:51]  EvaMoon Ember looks happily at her lovely mac
[9:51]  Apple MacKay: you'd be surprised Bosco
[9:51]  Bosco Constantine: i agree there sean but what are the incentives
[9:51]  Bosco Constantine: they need to have a ROi
[9:51]  Katydid Something: We got guinness to help us last year
[9:51]  Mia Kitchensink: Yes, but good times = good advertising and virtual reality is the ultimate fun for many
[9:51]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Like I said, let me poke some sticks in a few holes and see what flies out :)
[9:52]  EvaMoon Ember: it's advertising, bosco
[9:52]  Brianna Beresford: I think we have to use the larger social network view
[9:52]  Brianna Beresford: this is bigger than just music
[9:52]  Crap Mariner: They are still advertising and coming up with bonehead promotions and giveaways. Heck, GM and Pontiac commercials are still on the air. So, hunt down their loopholes and find a way to hijack them to indirectly support the music and venues.
[9:52]  EvaMoon Ember: if it looks fun in SL, people can go out and buy some at the liquor store
[9:52]  Brianna Beresford: this is the future - what about getting the music companies to suport
[9:52]  Brianna Beresford: the record companies
[9:52]  Brianna Beresford: Sony
[9:52]  Apple MacKay: I'd like to see a panel on connecting the dots of the social networks for messages and promotion
[9:52]  Crap Mariner: It's like coupon clubs. These corporations don't expect people to gang up on them like that. ;)
[9:52]  Bosco Constantine: well the question is who is in charge of getting the sponosor that can write a good plan with a ROi for them
[9:52]  EvaMoon Ember: itunes? cdbaby?
[9:53]  Apple MacKay: Crap you are awesome at that
[9:53]  Crap Mariner: Well, I have a huge chip on my shoulder when it comes to that. Hate is a powerful motivator.
[9:53]  Apple MacKay: heh
[9:53]  Brianna Beresford: we are one more path for music to reach the world they might buy into it
[9:53]  SeanMcPherson Senior: We should apply for bailout money. Problem solved.
[9:53]  Brianna Beresford: lOL
[9:54]  Mia Kitchensink: virtual bailout money
[9:54]  EvaMoon Ember: do we have a planned end time for this meeting and a goal for takeaways?
[9:54]  Crap Mariner: As for social networks, tools to simplify their use such as blip... ganging up on thesixtyone.com with bump bombs, etc.
[9:54]  Brianna Beresford: Sounds like we need committees to take these things further quickly
[9:54]  Bosco Constantine: agreed
[9:54]  SeanMcPherson Senior: let me ask a dumb Q: how large of a budget do we think we might need?
[9:54]  Brianna Beresford: the hotels dont let you use their rooms free
[9:55]  Katydid Something: Somewhere there is published fee for the creation of tracks
[9:55]  Brianna Beresford: and last year I think Katy and Nasus funded the snacks themselves
[9:55]  Katydid Something: yes
[9:55]  Bosco Constantine: we all get free entry fees for running the track
[9:55]  Crap Mariner: I plan on bring a few spare spacenavs just to give folks to use... will probably bring a stack of itunes gift cards as well.
[9:55]  Katydid Something: and Alrich helped with the welcome party
[9:55]  Mia Kitchensink: Mia helped some too
[9:55]  Katydid Something: yes, Mia did!
[9:55]  SeanMcPherson Senior: meh, I already paid mine. If I get anything back from LL, it'll get donated to this for funding :)
[9:55]  Brianna Beresford: I think Luann footed a big part
[9:55]  Brianna Beresford: Same here
[9:55]  Feline Slade: Has anyone gotten the spacenav folk's attention regarding SLCC/sponsorship?
[9:55]  Brianna Beresford: I got the early bird reg fee
[9:56]  EvaMoon Ember: I'd donate a song for a CD
[9:56]  Crap Mariner: I'd be shocked if SpaceNav wasn't there in some presence. That's a DUH booth presence to say the least.
[9:56]  EvaMoon Ember: could we sell one for a nominal fee?
[9:56]  Crap Mariner: Feline - I tossed that one to Nex and Jade early on.
[9:56]  Feline Slade: I hope they are, but they weren't last year.
[9:56]  Feline Slade: Cool.
[9:56]  Katydid Something: sorry don't know spacenav
[9:56]  Brianna Beresford: neither do I
[9:56]  Crap Mariner: 3D camera control device.
[9:56]  Lyndon Heart: I got one after Tampa
[9:56]  Katydid Something: Oh, yea -- you had one last year
[9:57]  Brianna Beresford: oh that nice mouse thing
[9:57]  Crap Mariner: katy - put one on your amazon gift list and shoot me an email. i'll buy you one.
[9:57]  Feline Slade shoves the cat off of her SpaceNav (again) as the world tilts onscreen
[9:57]  Katydid Something: Alright Crap!
[9:57]  Crap Mariner: this shit is a world-changer.
[9:57]  SeanMcPherson Senior is spacenaving as we speak :P
[9:57]  Lyndon Heart is too
[9:57]  SeanMcPherson Senior: I use to get where I can see past all the flying gears and such ;P
[9:57]  Crap Mariner: for SL, it's like the wheel in the mouse.
[9:58]  Crap Mariner: the wheel in the mouse was a simple but amazing innovation.
[9:58]  Katydid Something: Let's see if we can approch them
[9:58]  Lyndon Heart: let me throuw this out.. Patrick and I can impromtly back up almost anyone on the fly
[9:58]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Lyndon: Great, I can finally live my dream of being a front-man!
[9:58]  Apple MacKay needs to get one
[9:58]  Mia Kitchensink: That will be so much fun Lyndon.
[9:58]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Oh, wait, I can't sing.
[9:58]  Lyndon Heart: we have great ears for jammers
[9:58]  Mia Kitchensink: just dance Sean, lol
[9:58]  Lyndon Heart: as long as it's not a chordy song
[9:58]  Katydid Something: As pro's should!
[9:59]  Lyndon Heart: so.. there will be a keyboard for Cly, Eva etc right?
[9:59]  EvaMoon Ember: Lyndon, I'd love to have you play along on some of my stuff. It was a blast when I did that with Astrin last summer.
[9:59]  Brianna Beresford: so when do we technically start the tracks
[9:59]  Katydid Something remembers Geogianna last year
[9:59]  Bosco Constantine: i'm bringing my bass to jam with
[9:59]  Brianna Beresford: Yeah she was something
[10:00]  Apple MacKay: ok so we are at an hour... would you like to go for another 30 minutes?
[10:00]  Feline Slade: So here's a question.... a track gets us what, exactly? A room for X hours? Use of the room after hours on the intervening nights?
[10:00]  Katydid Something: Cool Bosco
[10:00]  EvaMoon Ember: Maybe Cyl, Kyle and I should touch bases about a keyboard
[10:00]  Lyndon Heart: great Bosco
[10:00]  EvaMoon Ember: I'm going to have to go soon
[10:00]  Bosco Constantine: i'm good til 2 - gig then
[10:00]  Grace McDunnough: I need to run
[10:00]  EvaMoon Ember: I have a show at 11
[10:00]  Grace McDunnough: or walk
[10:00]  Crap Mariner salutes
[10:00]  Katydid Something: I can gather all the notes on session ideas and complie them with the offers and pass them around for comments
[10:00]  Apple MacKay: we have a book sigining today
[10:00]  Lyndon Heart: I'm here at 1pm
[10:00]  Grace McDunnough: I'll check in later
[10:00]  Crap Mariner is firing up Astros vs. Racist Sterotypes
[10:01]  Lyndon Heart: I hope anyway ;-)
[10:01]  Katydid Something: I'll also look up session costs
[10:01]  Feline Slade: Take care, Grace.
[10:01]  Brianna Beresford: should someone go through the minutes and make up a concise review of what we did
[10:01]  Katydid Something: thanks for coming Grace!
[10:01]  Lyndon Heart: later GM
[10:01]  Apple MacKay: ok this should wrap then correct?
[10:01]  Apple MacKay: for today
[10:01]  Mia Kitchensink: Nutley Wine Shop helped last year so it doesn't have to big big corporations. We appreciated that help.
[10:01]  EvaMoon Ember: yes
[10:01]  Katydid Something: yes, Thanks for coming all
[10:01]  Apple MacKay: we touched on a ton of stuff
[10:01]  Brianna Beresford: we need to assign peeps some responsibilities or we wont get anything done
[10:01]  Lyndon Heart: yeah.
[10:01]  Katydid Something: good beginnning
[10:01]  EvaMoon Ember: I'm happy to help out
[10:02]  Apple MacKay: lets flesh out the chat log
[10:02]  Brianna Beresford: when is our next meeting at least
[10:02]  Katydid Something: someone want to set up a google group?
[10:02]  Crap Mariner: a good start
[10:02]  Brianna Beresford: I know nothing about that
[10:02]  EvaMoon Ember: we have a google group
[10:02]  Apple MacKay: we have a google group
[10:02]  SeanMcPherson Senior: jinx
[10:02]  Brianna Beresford: but I will help wherever I can
[10:02]  Feline Slade: http://groups.google.com/group/slcc-music
[10:02]  Katydid Something: OK -- we'll communicate through that one
[10:02]  Apple MacKay: yes
[10:02]  Bosco Constantine: well committees are going to be needed
[10:02]  Crap Mariner: i need to send a reminder over the tunes insl list
[10:02]  EvaMoon Ember: great
[10:02]  Bosco Constantine: lets get a framework for those
[10:02]  Bosco Constantine: and see who can chair
[10:02]  Bosco Constantine: or help
[10:03]  Apple MacKay: agreed
[10:03]  Bosco Constantine: then we can work details
[10:03]  Bosco Constantine: and not have everyone talking about everything at once
[10:03]  Apple MacKay: agreed
[10:03]  Bosco Constantine: this is a great start though
[10:03]  Brianna Beresford: so we join that group you sent us a link for
[10:03]  Katydid Something: As I mentioned earlier -- committee for performance and committee for planing tacks
[10:03]  Brianna Beresford: and announcements will go to our email addreses?
[10:03]  Katydid Something: tracks
[10:03]  Apple MacKay: copying the caht log now... meeting adjourne

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