July 15 SLCC09 Music Track meeting minutes

[18:01]  Apple MacKay: ok its 9 and I am just going to wait for a few minutes to continue checking the recent info out
[18:01]  Apple MacKay: I need at least 5 minutes b4 we start
[18:01]  Apple MacKay: ok everyone
[18:01]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: is the recent info posted anywhere?
[18:01]  SeanMcPherson Senior: No worries. Not like mine's gonna take any more time than the last 3 meetings :P
[18:01]  Apple MacKay: talk amongst yourselvves
[18:01]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: hahaha
[18:01]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: so...how's the weather
[18:01]  Crap Mariner: "We're proud to be able to provide one tin can and a string for bandwidth. You'll need to provide the other tin can."
[18:01]  SeanMcPherson Senior: cyl, basically, we have no updates.
[18:01]  SeanMcPherson Senior: They're still negotiating with the hotel for stuff
[18:01]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: good GOD
[18:01]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: ok
[18:02]  Crap Mariner: "You'll also need to provide a rope for us to piss up."
[18:02]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: hahahahah
[18:02]  Apple MacKay: Sean can you tell these kind folks about the email we just recieved?
[18:02]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Apple, sure thing.
[18:02]  Apple MacKay: while I read over some of this stuff
[18:02]  Apple MacKay: and send scathing emails
[18:02]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: yikes
[18:03]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Per the response from the hotel/sAV folks, SwankAV, to TFU, all I can surmise is that swank can't actually read
[18:03]  Feline Slade: You know it gets serious when Apple starts to get scathing
[18:03]  Katydid Something: wtf is a soft lighting package -- why do they need it?!
[18:03]  Apple MacKay: be sure to start from the 1st estimate
[18:03]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Rhi is now communicating with the hotel, since from what I can tell, they simply won't talk to Nex anymore.
[18:03]  Katydid Something: I love the discount -- still reading!
[18:03]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Rhi says in her email to them specifically that we need the rooms til 1:30 AM
[18:04]  Lyndon Heart: what are we reading?
[18:04]  SeanMcPherson Senior: the response that Swank updates and sends back this afternoon still only says till 5 PM.
[18:04]  Lyndon Heart: Hi all!
[18:04]  Feline Slade: Hi, Lyndon
[18:04]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: hi lyndon
[18:04]  Katydid Something: looks t me like highway robbery
[18:04]  Katydid Something: Hey Lyndon!
[18:04]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: TILL 5pm?
[18:04]  Crap Mariner raises an eyebrow. Who chose that shithole?
[18:04]  Katydid Something: Hi Rhiannon!
[18:04]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: hi
[18:04]  Crap Mariner: My bad. FIVE STAR shithole.
[18:04]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: hahhaha
[18:04]  SeanMcPherson Senior: heya Rhi!
[18:05]  Feline Slade: Hi Rhiannon! Hi Nasus!
[18:05]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: we'll clean up the mess in th room...what's the problem?
[18:05]  Katydid Something: Hey Nasus!
[18:05]  Crap Mariner: ... and a salad
[18:05]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: lol. sadly our choices were slim when we had to move from the Marriott due to community upheavel with Prop 8 support and there were only 4 hotels in the area that could hold 1000 people beyond the Moscone
[18:05]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Joyce, have you decided to drive to the hotel and sit down with patrick and out the words "One AM" on chalk on his desk since he can't read it on his email?
[18:05]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: granted those numbers arent where we are at in the now.. soo
[18:05]  Nasus Dumart: hello
[18:05]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: hhahahaha...nice one sean
[18:05]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: lol Sean
[18:05]  Nasus Dumart: ao off
[18:05]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I know
[18:06]  Apple MacKay: ok Im back
[18:06]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: wb apple
[18:06]  Apple MacKay: Rhi can the swank folks read?
[18:06]  Katydid Something: wb
[18:06]  Apple MacKay: O_o
[18:07]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: ok.. had to go through a slew of Relay sim deszigner notices
[18:07]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: hi :)
[18:07]  Apple MacKay: Hi there Grace McD
[18:07]  Feline Slade: Hi, Grace!
[18:07]  Lyndon Heart: so have our times changed..
[18:07]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: as for Swank folks reading.. who knows
[18:07]  Crap Mariner: i think grace just got musimmersed in the lake
[18:07]  Lyndon Heart: again?
[18:07]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: nope
[18:07]  Lyndon Heart: yay!
[18:08]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: just swank av is dumb
[18:08]  Lyndon Heart: Heya G McD
[18:08]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: hi grace
[18:08]  Apple MacKay: OK lemme kick off this meeting
[18:08]  Katydid Something: Hey Grace!
[18:08]  Apple MacKay: Officially

[18:08]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: k
[18:08]  Grace McDunnough makes a not so quiet entrance
[18:08]  Apple MacKay: Welcome everyone
[18:09]  Apple MacKay: I'd like to start with the most current info I have recieved
[18:09]  Lyndon Heart: thanks Apple
[18:09]  Apple MacKay: Rhiannon just sent an email about an hour ago concerning Swank AV with the attached estimate
[18:10]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: a revised from the first one. which still isn't right yet
[18:10]  Apple MacKay: they still seem to think we are in the main ballroom from 9 to 5 on Friday and Saturday
[18:10]  Crap Mariner: oh good. we can all be in bed by 6
[18:10]  Apple MacKay: but hey we have the ballroom on Thursday till 1:30
[18:10]  Apple MacKay: to bad we will all be at Johnny Foley's
[18:10]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: lol.. they fixed Friday, even though I told him the same for both
[18:11]  Apple MacKay: ok So the SteamPunk ball has a place to play but we apparently still don't at this point?
[18:11]  Apple MacKay: Rhiannon Im sorry but we are about 3 weeks out
[18:11]  Apple MacKay: and this is just silly
[18:11]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: that isn't my fault and you see in my email that I am questioning that.. it is their error
[18:12]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: so they have to fix it
[18:12]  Apple MacKay: understood
[18:12]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: Well...lets just stay on 'em until they do fix it
[18:12]  Apple MacKay: as I watch the prices climb
[18:12]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: nod, I know
[18:12]  Katydid Something: another 50%!
[18:12]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: yikes
[18:12]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: well if there are ways to get things down that you see in their, let me know
[18:12]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I just stepped into this prior to last week's meeting
[18:12]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: any way we can exchange the Thurs 1:30am to Saturday 1:30am?
[18:12]  Katydid Something: what is SOFT LIGHTING?
[18:12]  Apple MacKay: so we may be able to have a ball but the tickets are going to cost 150$ a person?
[18:12]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: so am trying to do damage control
[18:13]  Apple MacKay: Damge control
[18:13]  Lyndon Heart: wb Nas
[18:13]  Apple MacKay: WTF?
[18:13]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: both Friday and Saturday will be
[18:13]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: not on you guys.. on them
[18:13]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: on Swank and hotel, etc
[18:13]  Apple MacKay: we have been bringing up these issues for 3 months at least
[18:13]  Nasus Dumart: (thanks LH)
[18:13]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: all of these loose ends
[18:13]  Apple MacKay: who is doing anything at TFU besides you?
[18:13]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: meaning I wasn't putting myself into this nor was the contact til I butted into it just before last meeting
[18:14]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: glad you did Rhi
[18:14]  Apple MacKay: Me too
[18:14]  Lyndon Heart agrees
[18:14]  Apple MacKay: but its almost too late
[18:14]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: well we are 5 people, of which 2 got married and also had a relative die recently... and Misty is sorting volunteers and food logistics.. and I was moreso the in world content contact
[18:14]  Apple MacKay: we just jumped 5K for the thursday night we dont need
[18:15]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: lets just tell them to switch the thursday to saturday
[18:15]  Crap Mariner: wait till it reaches 10K. then sell.
[18:15]  Apple MacKay: I can only suspect it will be another 5k for friday and saturday and not thursday
[18:15]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: Apple it says the 14th, not the 13th which is the Thursday
[18:15]  Apple MacKay: yes ok
[18:15]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: ah...coudl i get a copy of what you're reading?
[18:15]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: so there is actually nothing on there for thursday.... which is it's own problem, but yeah they didnt add til 1am when I asked them on the last email
[18:15]  Apple MacKay: but we need the 15th
[18:16]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Cyl, I already sent it, it's in the email system somewhere :P
[18:16]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: nod, tis in that email...and was told before... so that will be changed
[18:16]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: oh ok thank you
[18:16]  Apple MacKay: ok so how much do you think you / TFU will have to charge per ticket for this event?
[18:17]  Apple MacKay: and is it the same for the Steampunk ball?
[18:17]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I don't know.. we need that final number from them
[18:17]  Apple MacKay: says its 28K
[18:17]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: it doesnt seem like adding in the extra hours will push the cost up that much, since if you look at Friday and Saturday in the ballroom for equipment the prices are similar een though the times arent
[18:17]  Apple MacKay: we went from 18 to 23 adding the friday
[18:17]  Apple MacKay: so assume it is another 5
[18:18]  Apple MacKay: wasnt the last estimate 18?
[18:18]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I don't know that yet and hopefully tomorrow morning, or am I calling
[18:18]  Apple MacKay: 18.5 I believe
[18:19]  Apple MacKay: now this one is 23+
[18:19]  Apple MacKay: adding Friday cost you 4+K
[18:19]  Apple MacKay: correcrt
[18:19]  Apple MacKay: ?
[18:19]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: nod, go through the list of equipment and see if thre is anything we can omit if we were to self supply or don't need
[18:19]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: that is all I can say
[18:20]  Lyndon Heart: is it sound equipment?
[18:20]  Chris Norse: Are they throwing in a complimentry case of KY jelly with those prices?
[18:20]  Apple MacKay: so if it is a 5k event how much are tickets?
[18:20]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I also asked that quesiton to clarify that we can have acce3ss to plugging things and streaming without any extra.. meaning that they dont slap us with more $ just fror touching the mixing board
[18:20]  Grace McDunnough blinks
[18:20]  Apple MacKay: if 100 people come?
[18:20]  Lyndon Heart: I can not find the email
[18:20]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I don't know Apple
[18:20]  Apple MacKay is wide eyed
[18:20]  Apple MacKay: ok
[18:21]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: well until we get those extra numbers back
[18:21]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: good lord
[18:21]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: anything we sort here is an estimate
[18:21]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: and we should be sorting what a plan is
[18:21]  Apple MacKay: so lets say this is another thing we will keep trying to find out about
[18:21]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I can be grilled forever but am trying to fix this too.... so we should work on how to get this right and what that means
[18:22]  Apple MacKay: I saw you also sent out an emai regarding internet access for the participants
[18:22]  Apple MacKay: agreed
[18:22]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: no cause i am past the point of trusting things without being a direct contact
[18:22]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: and i have musicians wanting to know what their time slots are...what a mess...hopefully it can get sorted quickly.
[18:22]  Apple MacKay: I am trying to keep everything in focus for everyone
[18:22]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: soo hopefully that helps to get things done
[18:22]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: i can understand that Rhi
[18:22]  Apple MacKay: most of this would have been overlooked If I hadnt been "grilling"
[18:23]  Grace McDunnough: Apple, if you put that list in a google doc, we can all see it here in world
[18:23]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: well or had things been sorted differently by different distributions of people prior to this on our end
[18:23]  Apple MacKay: so have you gotten a response on the internet issues we spoke about last week
[18:23]  Feline Slade: I never thought of viewing a Google doc inworld. That's good thinking.
[18:24]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I wanted to ask about that first.. Nex mentioned he spoke to Sean, I want to get what that was and go from there
[18:24]  Apple MacKay: regarding Sean generous offer and providing internet for the attendees?
[18:24]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: did anything come of that possible phone group call with the tech people
[18:24]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Well, let's see...
[18:24]  SeanMcPherson Senior: I called the hotel, no god
[18:24]  SeanMcPherson Senior: go
[18:25]  Apple MacKay: ok Sean... can you give Rhi Nexeus reply after you called the hotel?
[18:25]  SeanMcPherson Senior: I IMd and chatted w/ Leo, who was getting...
[18:25]  SeanMcPherson Senior: NOTHING. as of last night.
[18:25]  SeanMcPherson Senior: So far as I know: zero movement, anywhere, on any side.
[18:25]  Apple MacKay: what happened when you called the hotel?
[18:25]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Oh, which time? Easy to explain, tho. They'd put me on hold for 10 minutes and then accidently hang up on me
[18:26]  SeanMcPherson Senior: I've yet to hear if there *is* a person whose name was in the email I was given at the number I called, but they sure put me on hold while they went to find him
[18:26]  SeanMcPherson Senior: It won't matter now
[18:26]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: ok, then we do the same as for this.. I needed to sort where things were too... what we are looking at needing is the 3 hardlines in each room and as you brought up the 100 wifi users ... should that be just on the Friday and Saturday for wifi
[18:26]  Apple MacKay: So back to the Swank thing a sec...
[18:26]  SeanMcPherson Senior: there's 0% chance of getting any network acces sinto a hotel in under 30 days.
[18:26]  SeanMcPherson Senior: So whatever they give us, we get, and whatever that is, no one has any idea.
[18:26]  Apple MacKay: they sent this estimate last week... why did you send it out an hour ago?
[18:27]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: grr... k, was hoping whatever that group call might have been would happen
[18:27]  Apple MacKay: wait now you guys are paying big money to hold this at this hotel, correct?
[18:27]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: they sent it to me on the Friday and then we met as a Boaqrd where I brought up the missing time day, etc
[18:27]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I can not act alone
[18:27]  Apple MacKay: and they dont even respond to you?
[18:27]  Apple MacKay: we cant act at all
[18:28]  Apple MacKay: we arent Official TFU representatives
[18:28]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I don't know what was prior to me butting in the last 2 weeks.. with direct contact with the hotel
[18:28]  Apple MacKay: and they hang up
[18:28]  Apple MacKay: Crap you got any more rope?
[18:28]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: yes...i tried reaching them back after the first meeting just to get information...no one would talk to me.
[18:28]  Apple MacKay: Im feeling suicidal
[18:29]  Crap Mariner: The note says "Fuck the fucking fuckers" in Japanese, btw.
[18:29]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: nod, so action items here now then that I can follow up with.... I needed to know how that meeting went... now that i know no change, I will email
[18:29]  SeanMcPherson Senior: Rhi, why did you need to come here tof ind out how the meeting went?
[18:29]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: if someone says they will do something, what can you do but see, ride them and then follow through if they havent.. so here is where we are
[18:29]  SeanMcPherson Senior: I mean, isn't that something you and Leo, who was gonna organize the call thingie, talk about that as TFU folks?
[18:30]  Apple MacKay: My ass is soar from all the riding Rhi!
[18:30]  Apple MacKay: We ride and wait, and wait, and wait
[18:30]  Apple MacKay: but there is never any movement
[18:30]  Apple MacKay: are the other tracks concerned?
[18:30]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: not everything in depth, and he asked if any info was known on the sponsorship part of that, and made it seem that things were movign forward, so... I ask now, and all I can do is get a call in tomorrow to try to sort
[18:30]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: me too Apple
[18:31]  Apple MacKay: are they aware of some of the issues we has spotlighted?
[18:31]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: they do not need the tech you guys need so as long as there is the hardlines, projectors, etc they are ok
[18:31]  Apple MacKay: how about internet?
[18:31]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: and we have also brought up the wifi uncertainty
[18:31]  Apple MacKay: are they aware?
[18:31]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: nod
[18:31]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: yes
[18:32]  Katydid Something: Aren't they broadcasting inworld?
[18:32]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: that would be the hardlien connections
[18:32]  Katydid Something: or from inworld?
[18:32]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: some are yes, doing mixed panels
[18:32]  Apple MacKay: do you think the Music track is worthwhile? and do you think we are THE major draw this year?
[18:32]  Katydid Something: what about sharing the bandwidth?
[18:32]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: well I love you guys and of course you know the answer to that
[18:32]  Apple MacKay: Do you think LL is interested that we are doing the Music Track?
[18:33]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: and not fair to make it a judgement call.. cause that isnt any reason for this.. I can cite bad task management.. but not cause 'I' dont love you all
[18:33]  Apple MacKay: and do you think this needs to Succeed if the SLCC will even exist next year?
[18:33]  Grace McDunnough: Apple, I understand your frustrations, we all share them, but maybe it's time to think up the "oh shit" plan?
[18:33]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: LL has not paid their sponsorship yet, so i can not testify to their love or lack of regarding things
[18:34]  Apple MacKay: let me appeend that with the fact that thats what I have been getting in IM's etc
[18:34]  Katydid Something: Rhi, you know we appreciate you! But the rest -- the jury is still out!
[18:34]  Grace McDunnough: Do we have an oh shit plan?
[18:34]  Crap Mariner: Let me get this straight... SF was chosen to kiss their ass on both cheeks, and they're dragging their feet on ponying up the jack?
[18:34]  Feline Slade: I blieve that Sean outlined some of his "oh shit" plan last week
[18:34]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: good lord
[18:34]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: i'm devising an oh shit plan
[18:35]  Grace McDunnough: Sean - how bad is it?
[18:35]  SeanMcPherson Senior: You know what? Apple, I'm gonna go do something productive. My wife is in the living room, once again watching TV on yet another Wednesday while I sit here accomplishing nothing. I'm gonna go sit in there and try not to decide I've spent, what, 75 days wasting my time and money. Y'all tell me what you figure out sometime in the next, ooooh, (lemme see, until the day before the conference I can cancel my hotel rooms w/o penalty, right?), so say until the 11th by noon eastern, and I'll be there with bells on. Cyl, Lyndon, y'all have got all the info I've got so far, so you know what I've been up to. Nothing I can do between now and then will affect any of that. My "Backup plans" are as made as I can get them. I can't say where y'all can play, or if you can expect anything but the giant stack of verizon cards and such we've cobbled together, but hey, if I don't get told to cancel my rooms, we'll play in the garage or something.
[18:35]  Apple MacKay: I'll tell you the Music track has an OH Shit Plan
[18:35]  Chris Norse: I don't know, but for a "vacation" convention you don't pick one of the most expesive cities in the US for a 1000 person convention. That would seem to be freakin common sense.
[18:35]  Katydid Something: we have a sit in with an improptu shows in their courtyard with Lyndons mobile sound system
[18:35]  EvaMoon Ember: oh dear
[18:35]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: ok sean
[18:36]  EvaMoon Ember: what happened?
[18:36]  Grace McDunnough: Hey Eva
[18:36]  Apple MacKay: Eva your gonna have to read the log
[18:36]  Crap Mariner: I'll chip in for the jury-rigged bandwidth, Sean.
[18:37]  Lyndon Heart: hey Eva.. we're working on an "Oh Shit" Plan
[18:37]  Crap Mariner: But I'll also chip in for the attorney fees, too.
[18:37]  Apple MacKay: So Rhi thats what Im up against as the Music Lead
[18:37]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: nod
[18:37]  Apple MacKay: we thought you guys had it together as far as a convention goes
[18:37]  Katydid Something: sorry but I don't know where my mortgage money is coming from -- have nothing left to chip in
[18:38]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I am up against that... and more, and understand.. so if you think there is a way to help sort this, for me to jump in and get this right s much as we can.. I will
[18:38]  Crap Mariner: This has got to be the worst camping chair ever.
[18:38]  Apple MacKay: same here Katy
[18:38]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: that is what i come to you all with
[18:38]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: all I have
[18:38]  Apple MacKay: all TFU has?
[18:38]  Apple MacKay: all the info
[18:38]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: i'm glad you did, rhi...otherwise we'd be none the wiser
[18:38]  Apple MacKay: all the support?
[18:39]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: well at this point we are still sorting getting registration numbers/sponsors.. that is the larger TFU problem too
[18:39]  Apple MacKay: I hope TFU can get its shit together and pull this off
[18:39]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: the music track isn't even listed on the convention website....business, healthcare, and fashion are tho'
[18:39]  Apple MacKay: I know we have busted our collective asses
[18:39]  Mia Kitchensink: I have a new big list of possible sponsors and am staying up tonight to contact them
[18:39]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: but for here to sort logistics to try to get a plan in place.. and yeah an 'oh shit' plan too is what needs to happen
[18:40]  Apple MacKay: yeah I noticed the lack of coverage on the website as well
[18:40]  Katydid Something: better to have it all out in the open now so we can make decisions whether to even travel
[18:40]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: ok so the oh shit plan consists of booking a venue 3 weeks away to host us with a PA System already provided........or........we crash the STeampunk Ball
[18:40]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: you can all hug Ham Rambler.. he came up with one today
[18:40]  Apple MacKay: WTF?
[18:40]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: what about ham?
[18:40]  Katydid Something: his Thursday event is in our proposal, Rhi
[18:41]  Apple MacKay: we already coordinated with him
[18:41]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: you will have the ballroom time, that isnt an issue, just Swank being dumb in not understand directions sadly
[18:41]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: he brought in a sponsor.. Ham did today
[18:41]  Katydid Something: OK, that's cool
[18:41]  Mia Kitchensink: yay
[18:41]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: that is what the hug is for
[18:41]  Apple MacKay: EMI?
[18:41]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: oh.....ok.......wait a second.....we HAVE The ballroom till 1:30am........just no equipment?
[18:41]  Katydid Something: fair enough!
[18:42]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: no, let me look quick
[18:42]  Apple MacKay: and no way to play... its a union establishment
[18:42]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: AH
[18:42]  Apple MacKay: so no union stage hands no gig
[18:42]  Apple MacKay: and Swank provides them
[18:42]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: Dublin Tourism on the sponsor
[18:42]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: a ballroom with us standing there staring at one another
[18:42]  Apple MacKay: yup
[18:42]  Apple MacKay: he posted that on FB recently
[18:43]  Apple MacKay: he had a big meeting
[18:43]  Katydid Something: yes, I saw it today
[18:43]  Apple MacKay: today
[18:43]  EvaMoon Ember: even for a private party?
[18:43]  Apple MacKay: correct Eva
[18:43]  Katydid Something: didn't know it was for SLCC
[18:43]  Apple MacKay: its bigger than that but Katy but yes
[18:43]  Katydid Something: or is it for His party at Johnny fole's
[18:44]  EvaMoon Ember: sorry
[18:44]  Apple MacKay: ok Rhi so what do we do know... I have people throwing up their arms and saying its up to you guys at this point
[18:45]  Apple MacKay: I think we are just about planned out... we are sick of riding and waiting
[18:45]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: well, from you I want to know if you see things that can be pulled from that Swank quote to shave costs, we know what is missing and i emailed them on that.. although if you see stuff still missing please add
[18:46]  Apple MacKay: hell if money is an issue pull it all... what can I say... that seems like the intent anyway
[18:46]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: plus I want to clarify that we are talking on sorting 100 wifi users and if so for Friday adn Saturday only or all days?
[18:46]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: do you really feel that Apple
[18:47]  Apple MacKay: I am not the only one Rhi....
[18:47]  Apple MacKay: I want this to work
[18:47]  Apple MacKay: badly
[18:47]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: and no hopefully there is no intent, all I 'know' in sorting this is recently and should have sooner
[18:47]  Apple MacKay: but it is just so insane
[18:47]  Lyndon Heart: from the sound eqiupment side .. we can pull one monitor maybe two
[18:47]  Apple MacKay: all of this should have been clarified months ago
[18:47]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: we should have been notified a long time ago
[18:47]  Katydid Something: I think our feeling is that if we can't do it right -- we certainly don't want to do it half-assed
[18:47]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: there has been no contact/information and we've bveen planning on faith
[18:48]  Apple MacKay: we have done nothing but try and support the SLCC
[18:48]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: exactly
[18:48]  Apple MacKay: we are donating so much
[18:48]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: and spent money
[18:48]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: and time
[18:48]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: nod, yeah I know... I kick myself for two things, not being able to make the site visit, and not being a bigger bitch but am also committed to wanting this to work.. or at leat trying, so
[18:48]  Apple MacKay: a days worth of wifi for the convention
[18:48]  Apple MacKay: 10,000 listeners streams
[18:48]  Apple MacKay: broken into 10 streams
[18:49]  Apple MacKay: If you look at the attendee list half are music track folks
[18:49]  Mia Kitchensink: I have a big list of possible sponsors to contacts if anyone has time to contact some of them.
[18:50]  Apple MacKay: not to mention we are providing a major share of content for the convention
[18:50]  Apple MacKay: Im sorry its just a hard pill to swallow
[18:51]  Apple MacKay: I can without a doubt say that I am dissappointed in TFU concerning the planning of SLCC09
[18:52]  Katydid Something wonders why Nexeus has only attended one of our meetings -- no response needed
[18:52]  Apple MacKay: no one like to be grilled and I am really happy you make it to these meeting Rhi
[18:52]  Nasus Dumart agres
[18:52]  Apple MacKay: but no one should have to be grilled
[18:52]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: sadly I don't know.. but I know I care a ton for the community within SL, taht is why I try to make it a point
[18:52]  Nasus Dumart: you handle us well, Rhi.
[18:53]  Apple MacKay: it like going to school without your homework
[18:53]  Katydid Something: I have nothing but thanks and respect for you Rhiannon
[18:53]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I mean I make my living on my work here etc
[18:53]  Apple MacKay: and TFU hasnt done their homework
[18:53]  Nasus Dumart: We counted on TFU to so much to make this happen - seems a pressure cooker to the highest degree now
[18:53]  Apple MacKay: or swank
[18:53]  Apple MacKay: or the hotel
[18:54]  Apple MacKay: or everyone else we are told to "ride"
[18:54]  Apple MacKay: I have major concerns at this pont! and no one seems to have any answers
[18:54]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: ok who do we know with a big house in SF?
[18:55]  Mia Kitchensink: lol
[18:55]  Mia Kitchensink: i can ask
[18:55]  Feline Slade: lol
[18:55]  Mia Kitchensink: 1 sl friend
[18:55]  EvaMoon Ember: no one has a big house in SF
[18:55]  Nasus Dumart: lol Eva
[18:55]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: yeah sadly real estate is horrible in SF
[18:55]  Lyndon Heart: not in SF exactly
[18:55]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: yea...it was meant to be ironic
[18:55]  Mia Kitchensink: sinatra cartier puts on his show somewhere in san francisco
[18:55]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: a 1 bed apartment is over 2000$ a month usually
[18:55]  Mia Kitchensink: i could ask him where
[18:55]  Apple MacKay: they arent all just my concerns, mind you, I get IM'd and emailed about this everyday, like for 4 months now
[18:55]  EvaMoon Ember: you're all welcome at my house, but it's no where near SF
[18:55]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: i'm playing at Cafe Royale on 8/12
[18:56]  Mia Kitchensink: i read. that is exciting
[18:56]  Nasus Dumart: yeah - me too, Apple - people are hounding me for info
[18:56]  Mia Kitchensink: maybe they want more business Cyl
[18:56]  Nasus Dumart: or heckling us
[18:56]  Lyndon Heart: me as well
[18:56]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: let me check on something
[18:56]  Mia Kitchensink: if we really need a place
[18:57]  Apple MacKay: people are laughing at you guys... the tfu folks... you should read some of the stuff on linkedin or FB
[18:57]  EvaMoon Ember: laughing at us?
[18:57]  Apple MacKay: and I am cuaght up in it
[18:57]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: nod
[18:57]  EvaMoon Ember: what for?
[18:57]  Mia Kitchensink: Misty knows Sinatra Cartier of sl real well and he puts on Frank Sinatra shows in san francisco. Maybe we could ask her to ask him.
[18:57]  Nasus Dumart: sorry Rhi, but it's true.
[18:57]  Apple MacKay: the TFU folks Eva
[18:57]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: that won['t help me sort things, so
[18:57]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: nod
[18:57]  Lyndon Heart: not at us Eva
[18:57]  Apple MacKay: understood
[18:57]  Apple MacKay: but still what are we supposed to do at this point
[18:58]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: grab on the to the oh shit bar
[18:58]  Apple MacKay: we are 3 weeks out and actually know no more than we did 8 weeks ago
[18:58]  Nasus Dumart wonders if the Business and EDucation tracks are this rialed up
[18:58]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: well I sort this tech stuff.. but then also comes the overall bottom line of $
[18:58]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: nope
[18:58]  Apple MacKay: doubtfull
[18:58]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: no they arent
[18:59]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: then again, they don't expect the same level of tech/equipment
[18:59]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: they might not be as effected
[18:59]  Nasus Dumart: right -
[18:59]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: slide projectors and hardline and they are happy mostly
[18:59]  Nasus Dumart nods
[18:59]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: music is always a problem
[18:59]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: but that still doesnt change needing the overall $ figure for things
[19:00]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: because we can't fly in all our own equipment
[19:00]  Lyndon Heart: and union won't let us rent outside and bring our stuff in right?
[19:00]  Apple MacKay: correct
[19:00]  Nasus Dumart ust spent $460 of Apple's hard earned money on her ticket to SFO this week. - Going Hell or high water.
[19:00]  Katydid Something: We really need to know if this is even feasible at this point
[19:00]  Katydid Something: and we just don't know
[19:01]  Lyndon Heart: we need info asap
[19:01]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: well I asked that question about tying things into the mixing boaqrd
[19:01]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: board
[19:01]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: if I dont get a good answer I can push that point via phone
[19:02]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: but, is there even related equipment you guys had that you could bring in if we could omit things to bring our own
[19:02]  Katydid Something: Mia, maybe you should forward your list of possible sponsors to to the developement person at TFU to try and close them
[19:02]  Mia Kitchensink: ok
[19:02]  Mia Kitchensink: tell me the name and i will
[19:03]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: k getting her spelling cause i always mess it up.....
[19:03]  Lyndon Heart: ok but I'm not gonna put a hold on sound equipment to be told we can't bring it in to the hotel
[19:03]  Mia Kitchensink: my husband has his rl vacation this week so I can pack alot in tonight but its hard to do alot this week
[19:03]  Apple MacKay: Rhi really what are they gonna charge us per Mic?
[19:03]  Apple MacKay: or boom stand
[19:04]  Apple MacKay: whats it gonna save 200$ bucks?
[19:04]  Mia Kitchensink: ;D
[19:04]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: she is a friend of mine I brought in to help on that.. so she isnt on the TFU board
[19:04]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: as an FYI
[19:04]  Grace McDunnough: http://www.westinstfrancisgroups.com/planner/assets/documents/technology.pdf
[19:04]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: so still yell at me and not her ;)
[19:04]  Nasus Dumart: aww Rhi -
[19:04]  Apple MacKay: We dont mean to be yelling at you Rhi
[19:05]  Grace McDunnough: 1 mic = $205
[19:05]  Feline Slade tiptoes out and will catch the rest in transcript
[19:05]  Mia Kitchensink: jesika is the girl i should contact with sponsorship info
[19:05]  Apple MacKay: but wait we get a 20% discount
[19:05]  Apple MacKay: so its 160
[19:05]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: nod I know.. I jsut dont want her to get any.. she is being good to me to help :P
[19:05]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: but I understand the frustration
[19:05]  Grace McDunnough: I'm just reading off the rate card, Apple
[19:05]  Nasus Dumart waves to slinking cat - Feline
[19:05]  Apple MacKay: understood
[19:06]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: and as I was saying to Cyl, i know you guys have been forsaken and overlooked in years prior and it hurts and have always hoped this to be a rebirth of something good and as I have said before, was so so happy when you guys opted for a track
[19:06]  Apple MacKay: I have an AKG D160E1 if you all need me to bring it
[19:06]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I have had my dark days too and that was a thing that made 'me' more hopeful of this
[19:07]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: and yes mia.. Jesika is
[19:07]  Lyndon Heart: I'll bring my 5 mics too
[19:07]  EvaMoon Ember: I have gear too, but I thought the problem was we had to use their union stuff?
[19:07]  Mia Kitchensink: ok
[19:07]  Apple MacKay: we may been playing on the street or somewhere else
[19:07]  Lyndon Heart: we sneak it in and set it up and keep an eye on the door
[19:08]  Katydid Something: I have one that Capos lent me in a compact pelican carry case
[19:08]  Apple MacKay: we are kicking into high gear
[19:08]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: well, if you guys could look at that quote and of the music track ballroom, let me know what 'could' be taken care of in house, I can see what it would mean to do that
[19:08]  Apple MacKay: for an oh shit plan
[19:08]  Nasus Dumart: so the problems in the past with Music Track has been equipment and bandwidth?
[19:08]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I am hoping to get an answer on that .. the flexibility of putting things in and out of the set up
[19:08]  Apple MacKay: and if we can confirm those events we wont play the hotel
[19:09]  Apple MacKay: but if we can get confirmation on the hotel and what the tickets will cost and everything else we can play there
[19:09]  Apple MacKay: we need an oh shit plan
[19:09]  Apple MacKay: we are 3 weeks out
[19:09]  Apple MacKay: we need to confirm something
[19:10]  Katydid Something: In San Francisco we'll need a permit to play on the sidewalk Im sure!
[19:10]  Mia Kitchensink: I have a thought?
[19:10]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: we need to be communicated with on EVERYTHING
[19:10]  Mia Kitchensink: My friend James was going to do his dj stuff from the room.
[19:10]  Lyndon Heart: I'll ask my musician friend(s) in SF what's ahppenin
[19:10]  Mia Kitchensink: Could the musicians stream from a hotel room
[19:11]  Mia Kitchensink: into the main room? Not as fun but.......
[19:11]  Katydid Something: we can't fit all the people at the convention in a hotel room, Mia!
[19:11]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: but you also need to make me understand what is needed or not, I am not a musician.. even if I love ya all.. I sadly don't have that background, will allow me to sort the situation better
[19:11]  Apple MacKay: lol
[19:11]  Lyndon Heart: we might be doin just that Mia
[19:11]  Mia Kitchensink: i know
[19:11]  EvaMoon Ember: I don't know that I'd come to play in a hotel room. I can stream from home.
[19:11]  Apple MacKay: Rhi we pared our list down to the bare minimum
[19:11]  Apple MacKay: no extra
[19:11]  Apple MacKay: no overhead
[19:12]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: excactly eva
[19:12]  Lyndon Heart: we might be able to do without the drum mics and stands but
[19:12]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: in response ot that quote?
[19:12]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: ifyou can email me the response to that
[19:12]  Apple MacKay: we tried to be as realistic as possible as far as what we could use as a bare minimum
[19:12]  EvaMoon Ember: I have drum mics
[19:12]  Lyndon Heart: everything else is bare minimum
[19:12]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I can do a lot, but keeping me on task I need that email or a google doc to refer back to incase
[19:12]  Katydid Something: We all can reveiw and get back to you tomorrow, Rhiannon
[19:12]  Apple MacKay: for what the equipment?
[19:13]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: yeah if you can
[19:13]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: i have to go get setup for a show
[19:13]  Katydid Something: or we can each go over and get to one person who will get in touch
[19:13]  Nasus Dumart: ok Cyl - tc
[19:13]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: in that mean time they will weigh in tomorrow morning or I call on the making sure we have room times sorted, etc
[19:13]  Apple MacKay: I need to go hang myself
[19:13]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: and those other questions
[19:13]  Lyndon Heart: ok.. I'll be listening and watching my emails but I got a gig tonight in RL and must pop off now to get ready
[19:13]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: no apple
[19:13]  Nasus Dumart: ok LH
[19:13]  Katydid Something: kk Lyn and Cyl
[19:13]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: i'm waiting on responses to some emails i sent out regarding alternative measures
[19:13]  EvaMoon Ember: Where Lyndon?
[19:13]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: lyndon.....
[19:14]  Apple MacKay wonders what topic I'll chat about with M and Phillip when we do lunch on Tuesday
[19:14]  Cylindrian Rutabaga: can you and i chat after my set tonight or are you busy?
[19:14]  Lyndon Heart: Murphy's Pub in Walingford
[19:14]  EvaMoon Ember: knock 'em dead!
[19:14]  Katydid Something: another MP?
[19:14]  Grace McDunnough: OMG I have been there
[19:14]  Lyndon Heart: thanks Eva .. you have GM?
[19:14]  Grace McDunnough: LOL yes
[19:14]  EvaMoon Ember: GM?
[19:15]  Apple MacKay: ok Officially closeing this meeting... aye?
[19:15]  Lyndon Heart: LOL! G McD
[19:15]  Grace McDunnough: Aye
[19:15]  Lyndon Heart: I 2nd that
[19:15]  Nasus Dumart: Aye
[19:15]  Grace McDunnough: I'm GM Eva ;-)
[19:15]  EvaMoon Ember: ah
[19:15]  EvaMoon Ember: lol
[19:15]  Grace McDunnough: lol
[19:15]  Lyndon Heart: as I am in rl ;-)
[19:15]  Grace McDunnough: :D
[19:15]  Katydid Something: Well, I will report that we are cancelling the showcase of animators and scriptors for lack of interest on thier part
[19:16]  Apple MacKay: ok
[19:16]  Apple MacKay: any other business?
[19:16]  EvaMoon Ember: later, all. I'll look for the transcript
[19:16]  Katydid Something: Which gives us more time for the creative side of SL
[19:16]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I created a master schedule and am plugging in yours and others content
[19:16]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: i also shared you in Katy and Apple
[19:16]  Katydid Something: so no skimping on Musimmerstion
[19:16]  Grace McDunnough dances
[19:16]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: nod
[19:16]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: yes
[19:16]  Katydid Something: I got it rhi
[19:17]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: k
[19:17]  Katydid Something: just didn't know what room we'll have
[19:17]  Katydid Something: unless you have sent mor info
[19:17]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: there is the Balroom and then 4 others
[19:18]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: so one of those will the key Music one for your tracks
[19:18]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: with Grace's panel getting pulled to th Ballroom
[19:18]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: but we chatted on that
[19:18]  Katydid Something: yes
[19:19]  Katydid Something: just let me know where home is and I'll fill it in
[19:19]  Katydid Something: when you get the chance
[19:19]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: oh if you want to fill in, pick a free room, 3 or 4, whatever
[19:19]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: they do not correspond yet to the actual room
[19:19]  Katydid Something: OK
[19:19]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: will sort what makes sense based on the content there adn capacity
[19:19]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: so yes, woudl love you to fill in your stuff
[19:20]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: you can also put in what we talked about for Grace's panel
[19:20]  Grace McDunnough: Good night y'all
[19:20]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: would help take a bit of filling in for me
[19:20]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: :)
[19:20]  Katydid Something: night grace
[19:20]  Grace McDunnough: Night
[19:20]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: night Grace
[19:20]  Katydid Something: kk
[19:20]  Katydid Something: I should be able to copy and past out of our spread sheet -- carefully
[19:21]  Katydid Something: Did Ham get you a description of the event at Johnny Foley's yet?
[19:21]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: great
[19:21]  Katydid Something: I asked him to cc me but I haven't gotten anything
[19:21]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: he sent 2 emails, one the sponsor and one on that
[19:21]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I think
[19:21]  Katydid Something: just his bio today
[19:21]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I will cc you it
[19:21]  Katydid Something: great, thanks!
[19:22]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I juggloing reading confernce stuff during the day when I get a chance
[19:22]  Katydid Something: and I'll forward all the bios I can -- and kick Christa Linden for info on Collosus again
[19:22]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: ok
[19:23]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I have a progrqm doc I usually use.. well a template .. and will get that going too for people to fill in
[19:23]  Apple MacKay: afk
[19:23]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: helps and then I just cut and paste into the print layout software and fix formatting, etc
[19:23]  Katydid Something: What software do you use?
[19:23]  Katydid Something: layout
[19:23]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I used InDesign last year
[19:23]  Katydid Something: That's my mainstay
[19:24]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: great
[19:24]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I can maybe share even the template and if you want to layout the music pages.. but we can talk on that
[19:24]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: first will get that content templat
[19:25]  Katydid Something: kk ring me tomorrow
[19:25]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: ok, in skype?
[19:25]  Katydid Something: yep
[19:25]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: ok sounds good
[19:26]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I need to run off to help finish up some Relay for Life sim building
[19:26]  Katydid Something: do you have styke sheets?
[19:26]  Katydid Something: sstyle
[19:26]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: not sure how i set it up
[19:26]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: but I can get you a copy of it at the worst in it's entirety
[19:26]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I havent touched that doc since last year
[19:26]  Katydid Something: i can set them up and pass it back
[19:26]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: but it is a basic 8.5" x 11"
[19:27]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: so even if you have ideas on general overall set up / layout that is fine
[19:27]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: if you want to think on that and play with a style sheet
[19:27]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: it is fairly text heavy
[19:27]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: with all of the bios and descriptions
[19:27]  Katydid Something: it whaat I do for a living
[19:27]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: nod, yes I did moreso too
[19:28]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: now I am doing more social media and web and not as much print
[19:28]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: so if you have thoughts, but the overall dimensions are 8.5" x 11" pages, all inner pages are B&W
[19:28]  Mia Kitchensink: I just sent Jesika what I had. I plan to send out around 30 sponsor requests tonight but there are plenty for her to choose from too
[19:28]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: great
[19:29]  Katydid Something: kk -- Rhi let's talk in the am
[19:29]  Mia Kitchensink: I am going to rl for a little bit, then i will come back and do the sponsor contacts. See you all later.
[19:29]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: send me a CC of it to if you havent but yeah hopefully something comes of it
[19:29]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: ok Mia
[19:29]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I have a few calls tomorrow, so poke me if I dont see you right away on Skype
[19:29]  Katydid Something: what time zone are you
[19:29]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: take care Mia
[19:30]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I am EST
[19:30]  Mia Kitchensink: ;D
[19:30]  Katydid Something: me too
[19:30]  Katydid Something: kk
[19:30]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: good
[19:30]  Mia Kitchensink: I am in Savannah, Ga but Fla tomorrow
[19:30]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: ahh.. traveling Mia
[19:30]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: I am an hour south of Boston
[19:30]  Mia Kitchensink: I plan to sit up tonight
[19:30]  Katydid Something: i'm in Key West
[19:30]  Mia Kitchensink: ;D
[19:31]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: ok.. off to Relay.. and chat more tomorrow :)
[19:31]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: thanks.. and sorry Apple for things being so up against a wall for us all :(
[19:31]  Mia Kitchensink: I will come back later to send out my stuff. See you all later.
[19:31]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: take care
[19:31]  Katydid Something: kk tty tomrrow
[19:32]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: bye all
[19:32]  Katydid Something: bye Rhi

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